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    crimsonson
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    Ronson from this page was nice enough to give me a BetaSP of various ranked negative stocks. Overall, I was impressed. The 45 stock has grainless and has the color of modern film. I will digitize the footage tomorrow and get some pic for you guys.

    He used
    45, 200, 320 and 500T.

    Camera:
    Beaulieu 5008

    Len:
    6-80mm

    Exposure:
    +1/2f of rating

    I am also soliticing some inputs in using Negative stocks. I want to use 200T for my next shoot. Most of the scenes will be night, a lot of contrast lighting.

    Thanx to all

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    MrObvious
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    Cool!

    I'd love to see some pics. I've shot '45 in 16mm and love it. I'd like to see it in super 8. Though I still can't justify the price/hassle. I mean you could buy it at S8S, process it somewhere else, and then Rank it at the Transfer station, but you're still talking fairly big bucks, almost comparable to 16mm. Is it really worth it?

    Marc S.

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    crimsonson
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    I have given considerable thought about 16mm. I think this particular project I will need S8. Here is why:

    1. Its not low budget- its no budget. Meaning every penny counts. The $10 difference per 2:30 in stock will cost me $400+ with a 5:1 shooting ratio (20 min final peice).
    2. I already have a camera. I dont have a 16 to borrow for the scheduled shoot dates. I will need to shoot this on 3 weekends. A renting cost of $250 a weekend will cost me another $750 (Eclair). (plus the headache of insurance).
    3. I will need another hand or two to shoot a camera that needs to be magazine reloaded. At least another mouth to feed at best or two hands to grease at worst.
    4. I do not have the reosurces to use a large Eclair in a car shoot (rigs, wiring, etc).

    I do want to shoot 16, but I need at least $2000 to make it work + 2 more crew member.

    I might still do it with 16mm, still using 200T. I am confortable with the format. Maybe I will push the project 1 or 2 months to get more $$$.

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    Dom, that would be very cool to see some footage of the stocks. If you are shooting 200T, are you buying through Kodak, or using Super8Sound?

    I'm curious what your project is about if you don't mind posting some info on it. Also, what do you plan to do with it when finished, any festivals you plan on sending it to?

    Good luck,
    Scott

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    Ronson
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    Uh, sure, Dom, go ahead and post some pics from my short... smile

    FWIW, though, it was 48 (with an 85 filter) that we used outdoors, not 45...

    Ronson

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    Ronson
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    Okay, Dom has pulled about 10 - 15 stills from the raw footage of my short film, which he'll post as soon as he can.

    Bear in mind that the stills have gone through the ringer, before getting to you... i.e., transferred to mini-DV -> dubbed to BetaSP -> digitized into an Avid -> exported as JPEG -> imported to Photoshop -> exported back to JPEG -> etc...

    But, it should still be helpful.

    If anyone has any questions about the stocks or lighting we used, post away!

    Once Dom has the stills up, that is... smile

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    crimsonson
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    Hi Guys!

    Sorry for the slight delay. I forgot one thing before starting the thread... ASK PERMISSION from RONSON! Now that I got that enjoy...

    I got a component dub Beta SP dub from DV. I digitize that to the Avid via component and AVR77/3:1 compression. I output jpg. Input to Photoshop. Add copyright and then output another JPG. This is compareable to a 5th generation dub. There is lost of sharpness and color saturation. I added an uncompress Pic file (needs QuickTime to view) for comparison. The Pic file is compareable to a 4th gen dub.

    The jpegs are about 340K
    The lone Pic file is a Meg ofcourse.

    http://www.westglen.com/preview/client_preview/001.jpg http://www.westglen.com/preview/client_preview/002.jpg http://www.westglen.com/preview/client_preview/003.jpg http://www.westglen.com/preview/client_preview/004.jpg http://www.westglen.com/preview/client_preview/005.jpg http://www.westglen.com/preview/client_preview/006.jpg http://www.westglen.com/preview/client_preview/007.jpg http://www.westglen.com/preview/client_preview/008.jpg http://www.westglen.com/preview/client_preview/009.jpg http://www.westglen.com/preview/client_preview/010.jpg http://www.westglen.com/preview/client_preview/011.jpg http://www.westglen.com/preview/client_preview/012.jpg http://www.westglen.com/preview/client_preview/013.jpg http://www.westglen.com/preview/client_preview/014.jpg http://www.westglen.com/preview/client_preview/015.jpg http://www.westglen.com/preview/client_preview/016.jpg
    http://www.westglen.com/preview/client_preview/015.pic


    Regarding my project:
    I want to shoot a 20 min dramatic/comedy before I move up to 16mm. The main setting is car/night.
    I want to enter it in festivals, to win wink and so I can add it to my reel.


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    [This message has been edited by crimsonson (edited January 03, 2002).]

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    Matt Pacini
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    That's some nicely shot and nicely lit footage you have there, but man, we're talking mondy grain!
    Which stocks are these shot on?
    The pic of the guy in the trunk wasn't too bad, but I think I'm even more convinced to stick with Kodachrome.
    I'm a grain-o-phobe, you know...
    Good luck on your film though...

    Matt

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    Nigel
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    I would buy the 200T from Kodak directly. I really like it. I don't know how much reversal I will be shooting in the future due to it.

    Good Luck

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    Ronson
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    Matt: "Which stocks are these shot on?"

    Let's see... the outdoor stuff is 48/100T... much of the indoor stuff is 74/200T... and then most of the bar stuff is 79/500T (including that lousy out-of-focus shot of the guy whispering in the girl's ear)... we also did pick-ups in the bar (so that I could reshoot the fuzzy stuff that my DP gave me) with 77/320T (no pics pulled from that roll, though... sorry!).

    (Hey Dom, can you put up another pic from the 320T roll? Like the better version of the guy whispering in the girl's ear? The colors and focus are much crisper...)

    The whole project started as an excuse to burn some film we already had; hence, the various stocks.

    I'm anxious to test my new Nizo 4080 with some Kodachrome I purchased yesterday. It's been so long since I've shot K-40 (like, years and years), I honestly can't say I remember enough to compare it with the negative stocks.

    Matt, am I in for a pleasant surprise? smile


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